So.

May. 29th, 2008 09:30 pm
[identity profile] x-cable.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] x_team
If we have to start throwing in our lot with unlikely allies, could we at least try and pick ones who aren't gleefully trigger-happy? Especially if we have civilians along? I haven't seen a woman that eager to get her gun off since Dom was fifteen years old. Admittedly, giving people the wrong impression about what the X-Men do isn't going to matter if the guy with the bag on his head does blow up the world, but it's the principle of the thing.

Mission not accomplished, in any case. There wasn't much more we could have done - we were lucky to get everyone out of there as it was.

Date: 2008-05-30 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com
Yeah, Crystal already thinks we're nuts, way to make it worse with the crazy Russian chick who wouldn't quit shooting unarmed people.

Date: 2008-05-30 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com
Especially when we explictly tell them NOT to shoot people!

Date: 2008-05-30 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
I don't know, it's a scale really, with a perfect mission at one end and a total pooch screw at the other, and we were right about in the middle.

Date: 2008-05-30 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com
Yeah, we're not all buried in the Marinas Trench

Date: 2008-05-30 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
No, we left them there. Three miles underwater, in the darkest place on earth. I suppose that's how you start to put it out of your mind.

Date: 2008-05-30 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com
Way to go, us.

Date: 2008-05-30 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-dominion.livejournal.com
Sorry, but really? Natasha stopped the Russian miltia from charging a place fill of hostages that they didn't care about to kill a bunch of Chechen seperatists that we gave them to be executed. She gave me information to stop a fundamentist from killing a camp full of people that including Sooriya's mother. She piloted a Hind over Iraqi anti-aircraft battaries to pull us out of Northern Iran to save Clarice's life.

And your issue is that she seems like a teenager that you trained to kill people for the highest bidder? Wow, I totally bet she respects the X-Men after this.

Date: 2008-05-30 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-skin.livejournal.com
No one's saying she didn't do good before. We're talking about what she did down there.

She'll do good again. Doesn't mean I want to work in a team with her if she pulls shit like that. And honestly, I don't care if she respects us and I'd bet no one else who was in that sub does either. Except you, anyway.

Date: 2008-05-30 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-dominion.livejournal.com
We went into a hostile situation with someone that was armed. And when she did what she's trained to do, instead of letting someone talk to her about it, we threatened her life if she didn't do what we told her to.

Date: 2008-05-30 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-skin.livejournal.com
Okay, even apart from the killing unarmed people who could just've been hired help, she fired a gun in a submarine. If one of those guys had ducked after she got the first one, we could all be dead.

Why are you defending her, anyway, Mr. "I have to arrest a 16-year-old for an accidental death" FBI guy? And since when do you call her Natasha?

Date: 2008-05-30 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-dominion.livejournal.com
Since the second time she saved my life, and the lives of the team with me.

If we had talked to her, we might have found a solution. Instead, we acted tough and made threats we couldn't back up. That's my problem.

By the way, the 16 year old with the outstanding arrest warrant on them got the personal attention of a Director level officer because I brought him in, instead of getting handcuffed at gun point, left to cool for three days in a holding cell, and then shipped back to Georgia for trial.

Date: 2008-05-30 03:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-skin.livejournal.com
Right. There was time to talk to her about what we didn't know she was going to do before she breezed in and shot four guys who didn't know we were there.

You're not answering Laurie's question, I notice.

Date: 2008-05-30 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-forge.livejournal.com
It's a mindset thing, I'll wager. Government stooges tend to default to the "shoot first, make up the questions later" attitude. Therefore, I officially appoint Garrison as 'Speaker-To-Russians' for future endeavors as a matter of professional courtesy.

Date: 2008-05-30 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com
Look, the point stands at she kept on shooting after she was asked not to. It's been pounded into my head repeatedly that we set aside personal bias in order to get the job done. Oh, and we Don't Kill.

And on top of that, there is a guy with a BAG over his head who now is a step closer to destroying the world. Can we concentrate on THAT please and then discuss who did what to who for how many cookies AFTER we save the world?

Date: 2008-05-30 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-dominion.livejournal.com
Actually, she wasn't asked. She was told she'd be killed if she didn't. Kind of my point right there.

Date: 2008-05-30 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-roulette.livejournal.com
Potato pohtahto, next time a crazy Russian chick shoots four unarmed men in front of me and the two civilians we have along, I'll remember my manners and say please, okay? Happy?

Again. Man with bag over his head. World in Peril. More important things to worry about.

Date: 2008-05-30 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-wallflower-.livejournal.com
Sir, X-men aren't meant to kill. It's one of the founding principals of the team as far as I know. Are you really surprised that people with that attitude would be shocked by someone who seemingly didn't care who got hurt?

I admittedly was not on the mission, so I can't talk for what it was like but I can understand why the team wouldn't want to associate with someone they can't trust to follow our rules while they're with us.

I mean, if you were on a mission for the FBI and someone broke the law blatantly in front of you, what would you do?

Date: 2008-05-30 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-dominion.livejournal.com
You're missing my point. I'm not defending Natasha's actions. I've got a problem with how we handled someone who volunteered to come into a dangerous situation with us. Rather than find a solution to her methods, we made stupid threats. And now we're patting ourselves on the back that she's the crazy one.

Date: 2008-05-30 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-wallflower-.livejournal.com
I've only just finished reading the mission log, Sir. I can see what you mean by the threats. I could only say that in a tense situation that people don't always do the most obvious thing. And having someone seemingly ignore you in a mission setting would not go over well at all. A screw up on both ends, perhaps? Something for the training schedule at the very least.

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